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Fosta membra 9am.ro 5243 mesaje Membru din: 11/08/2009 |
Postat pe: 14 Ianuarie 2010, ora 22:38
De la: mytcor, la data 2010-01-14 20:57:29De la: karpov, la data 2010-01-14 20:44:46De la: mytcor, la data 2010-01-14 17:20:10...mmmda !...nu funcþioneazã!,,,din ce datã nu mai funcþioneazã ºtie cineva ?...ce sa functioneze??? Raporteaza abuz de limbaj |
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mihaivilcu2004 153 mesaje Membru din: 30/11/-0001 Oras: Ploiesti |
Postat pe: 15 Ianuarie 2010, ora 09:05
Credeti cumva ca cei din afara granitelor Romaniei de azi au pastrat mai mult din cultura, obiceiuri si eventual mai mult din limba ce se vorbea la inceputuri? o sa am ocazia in primavara sa merg in Serbia si o sa incerc sa stau macar o zi in zona Timoc
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Fosta membra 9am.ro 9751 mesaje Membru din: 30/11/-0001 |
Postat pe: 15 Ianuarie 2010, ora 14:50
De la: mihaivilcu2004, la data 2010-01-15 09:05:43Credeti cumva ca cei din afara granitelor Romaniei de azi au pastrat mai mult din cultura, obiceiuri si eventual mai mult din limba ce se vorbea la inceputuri? o sa am ocazia in primavara sa merg in Serbia si o sa incerc sa stau macar o zi in zona Timoc ...încã mai se,... nu putem ºti pânã când... Raporteaza abuz de limbaj |
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Fosta membra 9am.ro 1671 mesaje Membru din: 26/09/2009 |
Postat pe: 15 Ianuarie 2010, ora 16:02
De la: mytcor, la data 2010-01-15 14:50:59De la: mihaivilcu2004, la data 2010-01-15 09:05:43Credeti cumva ca cei din afara granitelor Romaniei de azi au pastrat mai mult din cultura, obiceiuri si eventual mai mult din limba ce se vorbea la inceputuri? o sa am ocazia in primavara sa merg in Serbia si o sa incerc sa stau macar o zi in zona Timoc Din pacate politica super idioata a statului roman face ca acei romani din Valea Timocului sa nu aiba acces la educatie in limba romana , nici macar nu sunt considerati romani ci vlahi . In toata valea timocului este o singura biserica in care liturghia se tine in limba romana . Ce s-ar fi intamplat daca Romania ar fi dus o politica asemenea Ungariei ? Raporteaza abuz de limbaj
Ioan 8 ,32. ªi veþi cunoaºte adevãrul, iar adevãrul vã va face liberi.
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mihaivilcu2004 153 mesaje Membru din: 30/11/-0001 Oras: Ploiesti |
Postat pe: 22 Ianuarie 2010, ora 11:50
Am tot navigat pe net si am descoperit o gramada de forumuri care dezbat acelasi subiect ca si aici.
Si sunt o gramada de argumente noi fata de aici care sustin ca "Noi nu suntem urmasii Romei". Sunt de acord ca au trecut peste noi o gramada de popoare( ca si peste celelalte dealtfel) dar baza pe care s-a construit cred ca sunt dacii. Nu pot sa-mi dau seama cum pe universitarii nostri nu-i macina curiozitatea de a "se apleca " mai mult asupra noilor "variante" ale istoriei , sa-si descopere stramosii , sa nu ne mai mandrim cu cei care ne-au cucerit  Ma inebuneste felul cum ei cauta mai intai originea cuvintelor la alte popoare de parca dacii ar fi coborat din copacii. Chiar au zis decat barza varza viezure???? De ce pe alti istorici straini ajung la cu totul alte concluzii despre limba, obiceiurile si portul popular? De ce ? : |
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click_cont 1644 mesaje Membru din: 10/02/2009 |
Postat pe: 22 Ianuarie 2010, ora 11:57
De la: mihaivilcu2004, la data 2010-01-22 11:50:14Am tot navigat pe net si am descoperit o gramada de forumuri care dezbat acelasi subiect ca si aici. Ia apleacate tu asupra limbii romane si italiene si asupra istoriei acestea din urma si vezi unde e legatura. Nu mai critica aiurea si nu te lua dupa natarai ce vor sa ingroape de tot aceasta tara,cu tot cu istorie daca se poate!! |
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mihaivilcu2004 153 mesaje Membru din: 30/11/-0001 Oras: Ploiesti |
Postat pe: 22 Ianuarie 2010, ora 12:49
De la: click_cont, la data 2010-01-22 11:57:35De la: mihaivilcu2004, la data 2010-01-22 11:50:14Am tot navigat pe net si am descoperit o gramada de forumuri care dezbat acelasi subiect ca si aici. Si eu imi iubesc tara si ma doare sa vad ce a ajuns . Nu inteleg de ce vrea cineva sa ingroape Tara daca spune ca noi ne tragem din daci si DOAR avem influente de la romani, slavi, greci!?!?!?!?!? Chiar nu e posibil ca la baza limbii actuale sa fie si limba dacilor?!??!? Chiar este posibil ca 8-10 mii de romani sa reuseasca sa invete pe cei cateva milioane de daci?!?!? Cum de cei din teritoriile neocupate de romani au dorit sa invete si sa comunice in latina si nu in limba natala? Cum e posibil ca sa avem aceleasi costume populare ca ale dacilor si azi? ETC De citit :A Lost European Culture, Pulled from Obscurity www.nytimes.com/2009/12/01/science/01arch.html |
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click_cont 1644 mesaje Membru din: 10/02/2009 |
Postat pe: 22 Ianuarie 2010, ora 13:03
De la: mihaivilcu2004, la data 2010-01-22 12:49:29De la: click_cont, la data 2010-01-22 11:57:35De la: mihaivilcu2004, la data 2010-01-22 11:50:14Am tot navigat pe net si am descoperit o gramada de forumuri care dezbat acelasi subiect ca si aici. DRAGUL MEU, EU NU AM SPUS CA DACII NU AU AVUT O CONTRIBUTIE, DAR TREBUIE SA INTELEGI CA CIVILIZATIA A VENIT DE LA ROMANI. NE-AM PASTRAT PORTUL SI UNELE OBICEIURI DE LA DACI PENTRU CA SI EI AU FOST PARINTII NOSTRI INSA LIMBA NOASTRA ARE 90% ELEMENTE LATINE. MAGHIARA NU ARE ELEMENTE LATINE PENTRU CA EI AU VENIT AICI DUPA FORMAREA LIMBII ROMANE, AU COTROPIT CAMPIA PANONIEI SI ASTA E, NU SEAMANA CU NIMIC DIN JUR. TI-AM DAT EXEMPLUL LIMBII MAGHIARE TOCMAI PENTRU A PUTEA INTELEGE CUM SE POATE DESFIINTA UN POPOR DESFIINTANDU-I LIMBA SI CARE SUNT URMARILE. |
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mihaivilcu2004 153 mesaje Membru din: 30/11/-0001 Oras: Ploiesti |
Postat pe: 22 Ianuarie 2010, ora 13:20
De la: click_cont, la data 2010-01-22 13:03:44De la: mihaivilcu2004, la data 2010-01-22 12:49:29De la: click_cont, la data 2010-01-22 11:57:35De la: mihaivilcu2004, la data 2010-01-22 11:50:14Am tot navigat pe net si am descoperit o gramada de forumuri care dezbat acelasi subiect ca si aici. Vrei sa te impui cumva scriind cu diacritice? Citeste asta: web.fu-berlin.de/phin/phin43/p43t2.htm |
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mihaivilcu2004 153 mesaje Membru din: 30/11/-0001 Oras: Ploiesti |
Postat pe: 22 Ianuarie 2010, ora 13:25
The Vlach Connection
Whether what the emperor Justinian did, in recovering North Africa and Italy for the Empire, was a good idea is still argued by historians. At the same time, it is a bit ridiculous to sneer at the Eastern emperors because they weren't properly Roman, somehow, and then simultaneously fault the one who goes out and recovers nearly half of the old West from the Germans. Nevertheless, what Justinian was and what he did contain important elements of how the mediaeval world was becoming different from the ancient, and how the later empire was different from the earlier. What Justinian was is a large but little noted part of the story. He is supposed to have come from a Latin speaking family in Macedonia. Now, a Latin speaking family in, say, Spain would mean people whose language would eventually evolve into Spanish; in Gaul, into French; etc. A Latin speaking family in Macedonia would thus be people whose language would eventually evolve into the Romance languages called "Vlach" south of the Danube and, north of the Danube, Romanian. So, in short, Justinian was a Romanian, whether in the modern or the ancient sense. A Romanian emperor of Romania. This leads into several issues. 1. Vlach is itself an interesting word. It seems to be a derivative from the same Germanic word cognate to welsch in German and Welsh in English, both meaning Roman, whether the Romans be Latin-speaking or Celtic-speaking. Vlach itself is Slavic (taking that form in Czech) and could mean Italian or Romanian, though the same word, with appropriate case endings, turns up in mediaeval Latin (Blachi) and Greek (Blakhoi, pronounced Vlakhi), only applied to the Romance speakers of the Balkans. It also occurs in Polish as Wloch, in Hungarian as Olasz, in Russian as Volokh, in Yiddish as Walach, and in various other forms even in those same languages (cf. "Vlach," A Dictionary of Surnames, Patrick Hanks and Flavia Hodges [Oxford University Press, 1988], p. 558). Vlach also significantly turns up in the name of the first Romanian principality: Wallachia (or sometimes "Walachia"). Thus, we can imagine the word being left behind in the Balkan Sprachbund by the German tribes during their stay in Eastern Europe and the Balkans. For many centuries Vlach was a spoken and not a written language. When it was committed to writing, the Cyrillic alphabet was used, in line with the Orthodox faith of the people. Later, a national consciousness arose in the principalities of Wallachia and Moldavia, where the language came to be called "Romanian." The name was at first itself influenced by Turkish pronunciation, as Rumanian or Roumanian, but along with the adoption of the Latin alphabet and an attempt to Latinize the language more, the name also was more Latinized. For clarity, the language of modern Romania can be called Daco-Romanian. Several islands of Vlach speakers survive in Greece, Albania, and the former Yugoslavia, though the use of the word "Vlach" for these is dying out. Two islands of speakers in Albania and Greece are now said to speak Arumanian, while another island of speakers in Greek Macedonia and the former Yugoslav Republic of Macedonia are said to speak Megleno-Rumanian. The Megleno-Rumanian speakers thus might be thought of as the descendants of Justinian's own people. 2. This throws an important perspective on the Eastern empire through the rest of its history. When Greek replaces Latin as the Court language under the emperor Heraclius, historians begin to think of the empire as a Greek empire, even as Western Europeans (Franks) tended to think of everyone in the empire as Greek. But of course nothing of the sort was true. Greek stood to the later empire just as Latin had stood to the earlier: the language of higher culture and universal communication, but not the spoken language of all the ethnic components of the whole. Greek had a bit of that role in the earlier empire as well: Marcus Aurelius did not become Greek because he kept his diary in that language. At the same time, real Mediaeval Greeks were even hesitant to call themselves Greeks: Hellenes, the Greek word for "Greeks," tended to imply the ancient pagan Greeks. Christian Greeks didn't need to call themselves anything but "Romans." Besides Greeks, the later empire had a very large element of Armenians, other groups whose languages were not written until later, like Albanians and Vlach speakers, and finally other indigenous ethnic groups to whom there are occasional references, like the Isaurians and Phrygians, whose languages are not well attested and who actually disappear completely in the course of the Turkish conquest of Anatolia. Indeed, it is not clear just how and when many of the ancient indigenous peoples of Anatolia disappear or are assimilated -- people like the Phrygians, Lydians, Dacians, Galatians (who were Celts), Cappadocians, etc. After Basil II had finally conquered Bulgaria, a large Slavic element of Bulgars and Serbs, centuries after their having broken through the Danube frontier, was finally also integrated into the empire. Even the Latin Emperors in Constantinople, aware of the history and multi-ethnic nature of the Empire, still called it Romania. Thus, while the modern Romanians preserve that identity as speakers of a Romance language, mediaeval Romania meant an empire of many peoples, united by the history of the Roman Empire and the Church, and simply governed in Greek. The greatest "Byzantine" dynasty, the Macedonians, starting with Basil I, seems to have actually been Armenian in origin, even as two of the in-law emperors in the same dynasty, Romanus I and John Tzimisces, were also. In this respect, again, the Roman Empire had assumed more fully the characteristic of a Hellenistic state -- which simply meant that anyone who learned Greek gained full political equality. 3. There is finally the mystery of the Daco-Romanian speakers in their current territory. The Romance speakers of the Balkans enter history in the 12th century as the Vlachs: When the second Bulgarian kingdom broke away from Romania in 1186, the revolt was led by the Asen brothers, who were Vlachs themselves. John Asen styled himself, in Latin, imperator omnium Bulgarorum et Blacorum. When the German emperor Frederick Barbarossa passed through in 1189, the Vlach element seemed predominant, since John was referred to as "emperor of the Vlachs and of the most part of the Bulgarians," "emperor of the Vlachs and Cumans," or "emperor of the Vlachs who was called by them emperor of Greece" [History of the Byzantine Empire, A.A. Vasiliev, University of Wisconsin Press, 1964, p.442]. The Asens may have emphasized the Bulgarian element simply because that was the independent institutional precedent, of state and church, that they were claiming. Since we do not previously hear about Romance speakers in the Balkans in any mediaeval history, and Vlach at that point was still not a written language, these people seem to just pop up out of nowhere. Much the same is true of the Albanians. Even more mysterious is the appearance of the Romance speakers north of the Danube, which had largely been terra incognita for the previous thousand years. Thus, anyone would wonder what had happened. Romance speech means Roman colonization, and we have to go back all the way to the 2nd and 3th centuries to find out about that. Since Romanian nationalism naturally identifies itself with the present land of Romania, and also with the pre-Roman inhabitants of Dacia -- the plateau protected on south and east by the Carpathian moutains -- it stoutly maintains that Daco-Romanians have occupied the same territory continuously. On the other hand, the Hungarians, who ruled Transylvania (the same plateau) from the founding of their own state all the way, except for the Turkish occupation, to 1918, like to claim that they were actually there first, and that the Romanians came in later. These competing political claims, which often have overtones of self-interested ethnic myth-making, make it very difficult for outsiders to evaluate the arguments -- anyone might be reasonably suspicious of what any of the Daco-Romanian or Hungarian sources say. What we know from Roman sources is that the province of Dacia, conquered and colonized by Trajan in 106, was abandoned around 271. This was, as we have seen, a very bad period for the Romans, and Dacia was a salient into territory mostly surrounded by increasingly active enemies. With the Roman withdrawl, the area drops out of recorded history for many centuries, and notice of Romance speakers there doesn't occur until something like the 14th century. Texts in the Vlach/Romanian language don't occur until the 16th century. Across the void of the Transylvanian plateau and Carpathian mountains, mediaeval historians only notice the passage of nomads -- Germans (Goths and Gepids), Huns, Avars, Bulgars, Magyars, Patzinaks, Cumans, and, last but not least, the Mongols. The locations of Wallachia and Moldavia seem like virtual nomadic no-man's lands during much of the Middle Ages, with no literate culture and no civil organization or political authority apart from the nomadic empires. While the Romans withdrew their legions, administrators, and many colonists, it does seem unlikely that all the inhabitants of Dacia, which before the Roman conquest had been a fairly unified and formidable state, would have left. Any unassimilated rural population, especially, would have had no particular reason to leave -- rule by some Germans might not have seemed worse, and perhaps better, than Roman rule. The archaeology reported by modern Romanians indicates a continuity of the material culture, even if urban areas decline precipitiously and there is little in the way of epigraphic material. Romanians like to point out that rural costume even today looks like the Dacian costume of Trajan's Column in Rome. Coin hoards indicate, especially for the 4th century, a continuing cash economy, which means continuing trade contact with the Empire. That even allowed for the penetration of some Christianity. What percentage of this remaining population was Latin speaking, and what percentage was still using the old Dacian language, is impossible, in the absence of the records of a literate culture, to say. The withdrawn colonists, probably all or mostly Latin speaking, were settled just across the Danube in the Roman province of Moesia Superior (Upper Moesia). That province was later subdivided into Upper Moesia (Moesia I) and, of all things, Dacia. This is now in the part of Serbia south of the Danube and east of Belgrade. This Dacia was later subdivided in two. These provinces were then collected, with Upper Moesia and other nearby provinces into the Diocese of Dacia. In late Roman times the area was Latin speaking and outside where Greek was commonly used (cf. A History of the Byzantine State and Society, Warren Threadgold [Stanford University Press, 1997], p.6). It is not hard to imagine the contacts that continued between the inhabitants north of the Danube, Romanized to a greater or lesser extent, and those who had withdrawn to the south, even as late Roman trade crossed back and forth all along the Rhine-Danube frontier. Not only did the original Dacia drop out of history in 271, but the later Dacias did so also, after the Avars and Slavs breached the Danube frontier and poured into the Balkans in 602. Only the conversion of Bulgaria to Christianity in 879, with the introduction of the Cyrillic alphabet, returned the region to literacy. As it happens, only one other place in the Roman Empire dropped out of history in quite the same way. That was Britain. The withdrawl of Roman forces in 410 drops Britain into a void very similar to that of the Dacias, and for a while all that is apparent is the descent of sea-going Germans -- the Angles, Saxons, and Jutes. When literate culture returns, dramatically evident in the history of the English church written by the Venerable Bede in 731, we suddenly see the results. Roman Britain has disappeared from most of the island, with Romanized Celtic speakers pushed into Wales and Cornwall. The Cornish were under such pressure that many of them crossed over to Brittany. The Celtic speakers of Cornwall have today disappeared, but the Bretons are very much alive and aware of their past. Although the Angles and Saxons inherited the old Roman place names, and came to tell the King Arthur stories by which the conflicts of the 5th century were vaguely remembered, Saxon England owed little enough to the culture it had displaced. Roman Britain survives in Wales and Brittany. Even pre-Roman culture survives in Spain, where the mountains in the North harbor the Basques, whose language has no obvious affinities to any other. This is revealing. The geography of England poses few obstacles to conquest, but both the Welsh and the Basques held out in mountains -- relatively modest mountains perhaps, no more than 3000 feet in Wales and not much more than 7500 feet on the south side of the Ebro valley in Spain (though over 11,000 feet in the nearby Pyrenees), but something that could impose significant costs to invaders -- in the Middle Ages, the Basque country was the basis of the long independent Kingdom of Navarre. Americans need only remember how the Appalachians, which don't get much over 6000 feet, originally hindered westward movement. The Transylvanian plateau, in comparison to these, provides a formidable redoubt. The Danube River itself tells the tale, since it must make a broad detour to the south, around the whole area. The southern branch of the Carpathians, the Transylvanian Alps, has peaks over 8000 feet high, and even the western side goes up to 6000 feet in the Bihor mountains. This makes it immediately obvious why nomads tended to pass around, like the Danube. Nomads like flat grasslands, which are present on the Hungarian plain and in the Danube Valley of Wallachia, but not in the mountains or up on the Transylvanian plateau. We should expect to find an autochthonous population in Daco-Romania just as must as in Wales or Navarre. Consequently, it is no more difficult imagining the Dacians surviving than it is explaining the Welsh or the Basques. On the other hand, this makes it somewhat more difficult to explain why the original Dacian language would not have survived. The area of Daco-Romania was under Roman rule for a shorter time, about a century and a half, than Britain, about three and a half centuries, or than Spain, more like six and a half centuries. A Romance language did not take root in Britain, and even all the Romance dominance in Spain failed to entirely displace Basque. So why does the pre-Roman language not survive in modern Romania? The relatively brief Roman occupation hardly seems like the kind of thing that could have done so thorough a job, especially in the face of the organization and resistance that the Dacians originally offered. Nor was it Roman policy to deliberately stamp out local languages -- that was just a side effect of Roman colonization and the use of Latin as the administrative, literary, and, later, religious (i.e. Roman Catholic) language. The dominance of Romance speech in Daco-Romania thus might require some other impetus of Latinization. We may find that by asking what happened to all the Latin speakers south of the Danube, in the later Dacian provinces and diocese. If we look there now, one thing we find is that there are still Romance speakers. In the bend of the Danube River, where it breaks through the mountain barrier at the Iron Gate, which corresonds to the north part of the Roman Province of Dacia Ripensis, there is a Daco-Romanian speaking area even today, as part of Serbia. These are people who need not have moved in 1700 years. But most of the area of the Roman Dacias is occupied by speakers of Serbian or Bulgarian. On the other hand, the Vlach languages to the south, as I understand it, do not betray the influence of Greek that they should, had they originated in Macedonia and Albania. And there is, of course, the pocket of Istro-Rumanian, which is all the way West in Istria, which was part of Austria until World War I. Since all the Romance languages of the Balkans appear to come from one proto-language -- Proto-Romanian -- the dispersed pockets, like Arumanian, in Albania and Epirus, and Istro-Rumanian, must have originated in the same area. That looks to be the Late Roman Dacias. The event to have have scattered the languages would have been the Avar/Slavic breakthrough in 602. Some of the people stayed more or less put, like the Welsh, while others scattered in the face of the invaders, like the Bretons. Since there are no historical records of this, as there are none for the Slavic migration itself, we are left with nothing but the evidence of the results. From Istro-Rumanian, we know that some went West. From Megleno-Rumanian and Arumanian, we know that some went South. However, the most obvious thing for them to do would have been to go north-east right back into the original Dacia. This was now no worse than heading south or west, which offered no real refuge (Roman authority having collapsed so completely), and could easily have been considered better, since they likely would have known from rumor that the invaders had mostly passed around the highlands. Hidden from history, like other Dark Age migrations, the Roman evacuees from Dacia could well have, in returning, provided the additional impetus of Latinization that erased the vestiges of the ancient Dacian language. Nor need this have been an all-at-once process. It looks like mediaeval Serbia started a bit west of the Moesia region, in modern Bosnia, and gradually moved east. In the meantime, the Roman Dacias, which included parts of modern Bulgaria, like the city of Sofia (Roman Serdica), could well have remained largely Vlach. This seems to be no less than what we see in the age of the Asens. As the second Bulgarian empire declined, however, the Serbs pushed to the east. This may have motivated continued Vlach exodus. The continued movement of peoples even in the modern period is a claim of the Serbs themselves, who say that Albanians moved into Kosovo after the Turkish conquest. This is very possible. It also makes possible the movement from the Roman Dacias. If this view of events is correct, then both Romanian and Hungarian nationalists are, after a fashion, correct. There was continuous Daco-Romanian occupation of Transylvania, and there was migration from what had been Roman Moesia, south of the Danube. Not south by much, however. The areas are still contiguous today. This is worse for Hungarian claims than for Romanian. What continued migration explains is the purely Romance character of Daco-Romanian. It also explains something else, however, which is the nature of the Romanian Church. The early Daco-Romanians of Transylvanian did not convert en masse or in any organized way to Christianity, or we would have heard about their bishops at the Ecumenical Councils, and they very well could have been Arians, like the Goths. Nor did Daco-Romanians acquire the religion of the Hungarians, for that would have been allied to the Church of Rome, not of Constantinople. Instead, the Romanian Church goes back to the conversion of the Bulgars. The appearance of "Roumanian" in the Cyrillic alphabet, as well as the influence of Old Church Slavonic, the liturgical language of the Bulgarian Church, on Daco-Romanian, are all evidence of that. After the conquest of Bulgaria by Basil II and the century and a half of rule form Constantinople, the Bulgarian Church was revived by the Vlach Asens, with the Patriarchate at Trnovo. "The Primate of all Bulgaria and Vlakhia" (totius Bulgariae et Blachiae Primas, in Latin) is what the Patriarch called himself. This seat, and that of Russia, were the only independent Orthodox Churches authorized from Constantinople. As Bulgaria declined and Serbia arose, an independent Serbian Patriarchate was established at Peç (Kosovo) in 1346, just in time for the coronation of Stephan Dushan as "Tsar of the Serbs and Romans." Bulgaria, Serbia, and Wallachia, however, were soon all overrun by the Turks. By 1483, in the still, for the time being, independent Moldavia, there was metropolitan established in Suceava for the Romanian Orthodox Church. I have not found yet the year in which this was actually done, but the Romanian Church has been autonomous ever since [note]. The Orthodox faith of Romanians in Transylvania cannot have originated there except directly under the influence of the Bulgarians, who ruled it at the time of their conversion, or because of migration and influence of Vlachs, who had converted closer to the center of Bulgarian power. Once Transylvania passed to Hungary, any influence would have been for Catholicism, which evidently is something that we do not see. This is about the best I can do, for the moment, with the mystery of the Dark Ages in both Daco-Romania and the Late Roman Dacias. It might not satisfy all Romanians, and certainly not many Hungarians, but dealing with such an issue, outside the sphere of historical records, is intrinsically speculative and uncertain. At the same time, it is nice that somewhere the name of "Romania" is preserved in a modern nation, and it is also well worth remembering that there were people in the Balkans who spoke Latin, as we understand from Justinian's own family. |
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click_cont 1644 mesaje Membru din: 10/02/2009 |
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Fosta membra 9am.ro 11272 mesaje Membru din: 21/11/2009 Oras: BUCURESTI |
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De la: tutenes, la data 2010-01-15 16:02:44asa este si asta ne doareDe la: mytcor, la data 2010-01-15 14:50:59De la: mihaivilcu2004, la data 2010-01-15 09:05:43Credeti cumva ca cei din afara granitelor Romaniei de azi au pastrat mai mult din cultura, obiceiuri si eventual mai mult din limba ce se vorbea la inceputuri? o sa am ocazia in primavara sa merg in Serbia si o sa incerc sa stau macar o zi in zona Timoc 
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toti avem dreptate,toti aveti dreptate,toti stim adevarul,toti stiti adevarul,fiecare are dreptate,fiecare cunoaste adevarul,FIECARE ARE DREPTATEA SI ADEVARUL SAU- TRAIASCA DREPTATEA si ADEVARUL !!! Nu scuipa niciodata in oglinda!!! Intotdeauna poti face mai mult decat ai facut pana acum,niciodata nu e prea tarziu !!! Tot mai multi oameni ne vor binele,d'aia ne merge rau !!! "Orice adevar trece prin 3 faze:mai intai este ridiculizat, apoi trezeste o opozitie violenta,si in sfarsit este acceptat ca fiind evident de la sine"-Avicena. Daca nu stiu ca nu stiu, atunci mi se pare ca stiu. ANUNT UMANITAR :Rog Prostii si Cretinii,sa stea departe de mine !!!
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Sunt doua feluri de a-ti trai viata... Unul - de a crede ca nu exista miracole. Altul - de a crede ca totul este un miracol.
Albert Einstein
DACA N-AM AVEA DEFECTE,NU NE-AR FACE PLACERE SA LE VEDEM PE ALE CELORLALTI,TOTI SUNTEM DEFECTI DESI NOI NE VEDEM NUMAI CALITATILE
....Barbatii conduc lumea. Femeile ii conduc pe barbati.....Caracterul fara inteligenta poate mult, dar inteligenta fara caracter nu valoreaza nimic. (CICERO )...Un om singur nu are nici o putere,puterea i-o dau cei care-l sustin...Vorba multa,saracia omului...Cine nu este corect cu el insusi,nu poate convinge pe nimeni de adevarul spuselor sale. Toti oamenii normali se inteleg in probleme de viata,stiinte si creatie. Nu-ti dori prea multe,n-o sa ai unde le pune. Mare pacat trebuie sa fie viata,daca se pedepseste cu moartea." Exista batalii pe care este bine sa le ocolesti , nu din teama ca le - ai putea pierde , ci pentru ca ai deveni ridicol castigandu - le " Gelu Negrea Ca sa intelegi ca esti prost trebuie totusi sa-ti mearga mintea[Georges Brassens] Nimeni nu este destul de inteligent ca sa poata convinge un prost ca e prost. Rau e cand esti prost,dar si mai rau este cand nu-ti dai seama ca esti prost,crezandu-te inteligent.Credeti in cel ce cauta ADEVARUL si feriti-va de cei care l-au gasit. Adevarul este pretutindeni,dar nu-l recunoaste decat cel care-l cauta-NICOLAE IORGA Primul om care a preferat sa injure decat sa dea cu piatra poate fi considerat inventatorul civilizatiei-SIGMUND FREUD Daca vrei sa cunosti un om cu adevarat,da-i o functie de conducere-ROBERT BRASILLACH Nimic nu este mai scump decat ceea ce primesti gratis. Cu cat regulile sunt mai stricte,cu atat capul care le-a conceput este mai prost- JEAN de la BRUYERE Nu e greu sa fii darnic azi,greu este sa nu regreti maine-JULES RENARD Bine ne pot face numai anumiti oameni,rau ne poate face orice prost ...Un snob este un om care a fost educat mai mult decat ii permitea inteligenta.....Este bine sa lasi bautura....insa rau este sa uiti unde ai lasat-o.....
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Postat pe: 22 Ianuarie 2010, ora 18:42
victoria...nu te pune la mintea dacistilor....
le-a intra dacismul in sange si....sunt fara leac.... pur si simplu...nu ai ce sa le faci...orice le-ai spune si oricate dovezi le-ai aduce..ei o tin pe a lor.... uita-te putin pe topicul asta....au pierdut in toate discutiile impotriva mea...si...rezultatul....probabil tocmai pentru a-mi face mie in ciuda sustin acelasi teorii absurde... 
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Postat pe: 22 Ianuarie 2010, ora 18:52
De la: click_cont, la data 2010-01-22 13:34:51NU DORESC SA MA IMPUN NICICUM, ASA S-A NIMERIT, SA-MI FIE TASTA CAPS LOOK ACTIVATA, CA SI ACUM DE ALTFEL. TRADU, DACA VREI SA CITEASCA CINEVA, EU NU CUNOSC ATAT DE BINE ENGLEZA INCAT SA-MI PERMIT SA COMENTEZ UN ASEMENEA TEXT, IAR DACA A FOST SCRIS SA NE FACA UN BINE NU VAD DE CE TREBUIA SCRIS IN ENGLEZA. DACA NU, ATUNCI NU-MI PARE RAU CA NU INTELEG TOTUL PENTRU CA NU MAI CONTEAZA. VICTORIÞO, IOANNA habar n-are despre ce vorbeºte....când vine vorba despre traco-geto-daci ...întreb-o despre hist. medievalã ºi despe slavi ! Raporteaza abuz de limbaj |
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Postat pe: 22 Ianuarie 2010, ora 19:19
De la: mytcor, la data 2010-01-22 18:52:01De la: click_cont, la data 2010-01-22 13:34:51NU DORESC SA MA IMPUN NICICUM, ASA S-A NIMERIT, SA-MI FIE TASTA CAPS LOOK ACTIVATA, CA SI ACUM DE ALTFEL. TRADU, DACA VREI SA CITEASCA CINEVA, EU NU CUNOSC ATAT DE BINE ENGLEZA INCAT SA-MI PERMIT SA COMENTEZ UN ASEMENEA TEXT, IAR DACA A FOST SCRIS SA NE FACA UN BINE NU VAD DE CE TREBUIA SCRIS IN ENGLEZA. DACA NU, ATUNCI NU-MI PARE RAU CA NU INTELEG TOTUL PENTRU CA NU MAI CONTEAZA. eu sunt studenta la istorie....tu...doar un diletant... tu esti cel care nu are habar de istoria dacilor.... HUOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!!!!
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Postat pe: 22 Ianuarie 2010, ora 19:22
De la: ioanna_dark, la data 2010-01-22 19:19:40De la: mytcor, la data 2010-01-22 18:52:01De la: click_cont, la data 2010-01-22 13:34:51NU DORESC SA MA IMPUN NICICUM, ASA S-A NIMERIT, SA-MI FIE TASTA CAPS LOOK ACTIVATA, CA SI ACUM DE ALTFEL. TRADU, DACA VREI SA CITEASCA CINEVA, EU NU CUNOSC ATAT DE BINE ENGLEZA INCAT SA-MI PERMIT SA COMENTEZ UN ASEMENEA TEXT, IAR DACA A FOST SCRIS SA NE FACA UN BINE NU VAD DE CE TREBUIA SCRIS IN ENGLEZA. DACA NU, ATUNCI NU-MI PARE RAU CA NU INTELEG TOTUL PENTRU CA NU MAI CONTEAZA. cred c-a postat Gigi Becali !.... Raporteaza abuz de limbaj |
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Postat pe: 22 Ianuarie 2010, ora 19:24
De la: mytcor, la data 2010-01-22 19:22:52De la: ioanna_dark, la data 2010-01-22 19:19:40De la: mytcor, la data 2010-01-22 18:52:01De la: click_cont, la data 2010-01-22 13:34:51NU DORESC SA MA IMPUN NICICUM, ASA S-A NIMERIT, SA-MI FIE TASTA CAPS LOOK ACTIVATA, CA SI ACUM DE ALTFEL. TRADU, DACA VREI SA CITEASCA CINEVA, EU NU CUNOSC ATAT DE BINE ENGLEZA INCAT SA-MI PERMIT SA COMENTEZ UN ASEMENEA TEXT, IAR DACA A FOST SCRIS SA NE FACA UN BINE NU VAD DE CE TREBUIA SCRIS IN ENGLEZA. DACA NU, ATUNCI NU-MI PARE RAU CA NU INTELEG TOTUL PENTRU CA NU MAI CONTEAZA. nu..nu a fost becali...eu sunt , ioana.... dar cand vine vorba de dacism dintr-o femeie dulce si sensibila devin una rea...foarte rea!!!! daca mai vrei....
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Postat pe: 22 Ianuarie 2010, ora 19:33
De la: ioanna_dark, la data 2010-01-22 19:24:56 cred c-a postat Gigi Becali !....[/quote] nu..nu a fost becali...eu sunt , ioana.... dar cand vine vorba de dacism dintr-o femeie dulce si sensibila devin una rea...foarte rea!!!! daca mai vrei.... [/quote]normal, habarnistele sunt fuoooarte rele !...le lipsesc iniþierile 
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Postat pe: 22 Ianuarie 2010, ora 19:35
De la: mytcor, la data 2010-01-22 19:33:05De la: ioanna_dark, la data 2010-01-22 19:24:56De la: mytcor, la data 2010-01-22 19:22:52De la: ioanna_dark, la data 2010-01-22 19:19:40De la: mytcor, la data 2010-01-22 18:52:01De la: click_cont, la data 2010-01-22 13:34:51NU DORESC SA MA IMPUN NICICUM, ASA S-A NIMERIT, SA-MI FIE TASTA CAPS LOOK ACTIVATA, CA SI ACUM DE ALTFEL. TRADU, DACA VREI SA CITEASCA CINEVA, EU NU CUNOSC ATAT DE BINE ENGLEZA INCAT SA-MI PERMIT SA COMENTEZ UN ASEMENEA TEXT, IAR DACA A FOST SCRIS SA NE FACA UN BINE NU VAD DE CE TREBUIA SCRIS IN ENGLEZA. DACA NU, ATUNCI NU-MI PARE RAU CA NU INTELEG TOTUL PENTRU CA NU MAI CONTEAZA. da, mytcor..sunt habarnista pentru ca.....asa ai stabilit tu.... 
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Postat pe: 22 Ianuarie 2010, ora 19:41
De la: ioanna_dark, la data 2010-01-22 19:35:05 eu sunt studenta la istorie....tu...doar un diletant... tu esti cel care nu are habar de istoria dacilor.... HUOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!!!! [/quote]cred c-a postat Gigi Becali !....[/quote] nu..nu a fost becali...eu sunt , ioana.... dar cand vine vorba de dacism dintr-o femeie dulce si sensibila devin una rea...foarte rea!!!! daca mai vrei.... [/quote]normal, habarnistele sunt fuoooarte rele !...[/quote] da, mytcor..sunt habarnista pentru ca.....asa ai stabilit tu.... [/quote]pt. cã aºa vã licenþiazã UB-ul, ha-habarniºti cu patalama-n rãmatã gata ! Raporteaza abuz de limbaj |
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Postat pe: 23 Ianuarie 2010, ora 12:24
De la: mytcor, la data 2010-01-22 19:41:41De la: ioanna_dark, la data 2010-01-22 19:35:05 cred c-a postat Gigi Becali !....[/quote] nu..nu a fost becali...eu sunt , ioana.... dar cand vine vorba de dacism dintr-o femeie dulce si sensibila devin una rea...foarte rea!!!! daca mai vrei.... [/quote]normal, habarnistele sunt fuoooarte rele !...[/quote] da, mytcor..sunt habarnista pentru ca.....asa ai stabilit tu.... [/quote]0000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000 Atât timp cât n-ai sã doreºti o discuþie civilizatã pe aceastã temã ºi pânã n-ai sã-þi actualizezi informaþiile pe aceastã temã, n-am sã-ti mai rãspund. cercetarea ºi descoperirile recente p-aceastã temã, pun sub un mare semn de întrebare (cel puþin) tot ceea ce s-a crezut a fi "bãtut în cuie" pânã acum. 
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Fosta membra 9am.ro 9751 mesaje Membru din: 30/11/-0001 |
Postat pe: 23 Ianuarie 2010, ora 12:25
De la: mytcor, la data 2010-01-23 12:24:50 Raporteaza abuz de limbaj |
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Fosta membra 9am.ro 1572 mesaje Membru din: 20/09/2009 Oras: BUCURESTI |
Postat pe: 23 Ianuarie 2010, ora 12:42
De la: mytcor, la data 2010-01-23 12:24:50De la: mytcor, la data 2010-01-22 19:41:41De la: ioanna_dark, la data 2010-01-22 19:35:05 nu..nu a fost becali...eu sunt , ioana.... dar cand vine vorba de dacism dintr-o femeie dulce si sensibila devin una rea...foarte rea!!!! daca mai vrei.... [/quote]normal, habarnistele sunt fuoooarte rele !...[/quote] da, mytcor..sunt habarnista pentru ca.....asa ai stabilit tu.... [/quote]0000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000 Atât timp cât n-ai sã doreºti o discuþie civilizatã pe aceastã temã ºi pânã n-ai sã-þi actualizezi informaþiile pe aceastã temã, n-am sã-ti mai rãspund. cercetarea ºi descoperirile recente p-aceastã temã, pun sub un mare semn de întrebare (cel puþin) tot ceea ce s-a crezut a fi "bãtut în cuie" pânã acum. [/quote]am incercat sa discut civilizat pana acum de o mie de ori pe forumul asta , dar nu am reusit din cauza voastra....am fost tratata cu dispret , jignita , umilita...v-ati batut joc de mine in ultimul hal....cand incercam sa va arat parerea unor oameni competenti in domeniul istoriei (parere diferita de a oricarui tampit de pe net care nu are nicio legatura cu istoria , dar...si-a facut si el blog si trebuie sa scrie ceva) ati ras de mine.... mytcor...intre universitatea bucuresti si blogurile de pe net...ai ales blogurile.... sper ca esti mandru de alegerea ta, chiar daca nu constientizezi faptul ca...nu-ti face nicio cinste... 
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Postat pe: 23 Ianuarie 2010, ora 13:01
te-nºeli amarnic !..între biblioteca UB ( ce nici mãcar nu s-a obosit sã-ºi transpunã fondul documentar în format electronic) ºi marile biblioteci universitare ale lumii, dar nu numai, am sã le prefer tot timpul pe cele din urmã. chiar ºi cele ruseºti sunt cu mult mai sus decât ce-mi oferã UB-ul tãu pe care-l ridici atât în slãvi. |
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Postat pe: 23 Ianuarie 2010, ora 13:16
De la: mytcor, la data 2010-01-23 13:01:42De la: ioanna_dark, la data 2010-01-23 12:42:07 Raporteaza abuz de limbaj |
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Postat pe: 23 Ianuarie 2010, ora 13:31
De la: mytcor, la data 2009-12-21 13:51:23 ...DEDIC ACEASTÃ SUMARÃ TRECERE-N REVISTÃ, TUTUROR CELOR CE-AU POSTAT PE ACEST TOPIC. .....ai aici o sintezã pe care nici mãcar ......ce sã mai.... ar trebui sã faci o recapitulare ºi sã vezi tot ceea ce am postat. Raporteaza abuz de limbaj |
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Fosta membra 9am.ro 11272 mesaje Membru din: 21/11/2009 Oras: BUCURESTI |
Postat pe: 23 Ianuarie 2010, ora 13:51
mytcor,intelege odata ca o sa dai in balbaiala absolut degeaba,ionica invata istorie din manualele mancurtilor de doi lei cu diplome nerecunoscute decat de ei insisi care nu s-au obosit sa redescopere istoria veche si adevarata a poporului roman,de ce sa se streseze sa repuna in drepturi o istorie ascunsa si uitata cand e mai simplu sa rontai carti mincinoase si sa mananci painea statului degeaba
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toti avem dreptate,toti aveti dreptate,toti stim adevarul,toti stiti adevarul,fiecare are dreptate,fiecare cunoaste adevarul,FIECARE ARE DREPTATEA SI ADEVARUL SAU- TRAIASCA DREPTATEA si ADEVARUL !!! Nu scuipa niciodata in oglinda!!! Intotdeauna poti face mai mult decat ai facut pana acum,niciodata nu e prea tarziu !!! Tot mai multi oameni ne vor binele,d'aia ne merge rau !!! "Orice adevar trece prin 3 faze:mai intai este ridiculizat, apoi trezeste o opozitie violenta,si in sfarsit este acceptat ca fiind evident de la sine"-Avicena. Daca nu stiu ca nu stiu, atunci mi se pare ca stiu. ANUNT UMANITAR :Rog Prostii si Cretinii,sa stea departe de mine !!!
“Nu poti sa tratezi ochiul fara sa tii cont de cap, nu poti sa tratezi capul fara sa tii cont de minte si nu poti sa tratezi mintea fara sa tii cont de sufletul si spiritul omului.” (Zamolxe)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tNu44XzTnLY
Sunt doua feluri de a-ti trai viata... Unul - de a crede ca nu exista miracole. Altul - de a crede ca totul este un miracol.
Albert Einstein
DACA N-AM AVEA DEFECTE,NU NE-AR FACE PLACERE SA LE VEDEM PE ALE CELORLALTI,TOTI SUNTEM DEFECTI DESI NOI NE VEDEM NUMAI CALITATILE
....Barbatii conduc lumea. Femeile ii conduc pe barbati.....Caracterul fara inteligenta poate mult, dar inteligenta fara caracter nu valoreaza nimic. (CICERO )...Un om singur nu are nici o putere,puterea i-o dau cei care-l sustin...Vorba multa,saracia omului...Cine nu este corect cu el insusi,nu poate convinge pe nimeni de adevarul spuselor sale. Toti oamenii normali se inteleg in probleme de viata,stiinte si creatie. Nu-ti dori prea multe,n-o sa ai unde le pune. Mare pacat trebuie sa fie viata,daca se pedepseste cu moartea." Exista batalii pe care este bine sa le ocolesti , nu din teama ca le - ai putea pierde , ci pentru ca ai deveni ridicol castigandu - le " Gelu Negrea Ca sa intelegi ca esti prost trebuie totusi sa-ti mearga mintea[Georges Brassens] Nimeni nu este destul de inteligent ca sa poata convinge un prost ca e prost. Rau e cand esti prost,dar si mai rau este cand nu-ti dai seama ca esti prost,crezandu-te inteligent.Credeti in cel ce cauta ADEVARUL si feriti-va de cei care l-au gasit. Adevarul este pretutindeni,dar nu-l recunoaste decat cel care-l cauta-NICOLAE IORGA Primul om care a preferat sa injure decat sa dea cu piatra poate fi considerat inventatorul civilizatiei-SIGMUND FREUD Daca vrei sa cunosti un om cu adevarat,da-i o functie de conducere-ROBERT BRASILLACH Nimic nu este mai scump decat ceea ce primesti gratis. Cu cat regulile sunt mai stricte,cu atat capul care le-a conceput este mai prost- JEAN de la BRUYERE Nu e greu sa fii darnic azi,greu este sa nu regreti maine-JULES RENARD Bine ne pot face numai anumiti oameni,rau ne poate face orice prost ...Un snob este un om care a fost educat mai mult decat ii permitea inteligenta.....Este bine sa lasi bautura....insa rau este sa uiti unde ai lasat-o.....
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Postat pe: 23 Ianuarie 2010, ora 14:09
De la: mytcor, la data 2010-01-23 13:31:14De la: mytcor, la data 2009-12-21 13:51:23 ...DEDIC ACEASTÃ SUMARÃ TRECERE-N REVISTÃ, TUTUROR CELOR CE-AU POSTAT PE ACEST TOPIC. asa...si? ce ti se pare ca ai adus nou in domeniul istoriei dacice prin ce copy-paste ai postat aici? doar pentru ca ai postat pe net niste descoperiri pe care le-a facut in mare parte tot scoala din bucuresti nu inseamna ca ai adus ceva care sa demonstreze ca acolo suntem mintiti si tu ai aflat adevarul...  constientizezi? Raporteaza abuz de limbaj |
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Postat pe: 23 Ianuarie 2010, ora 14:27
De la: ioanna_dark, la data 2010-01-23 14:09:48De la: mytcor, la data 2010-01-23 13:31:14De la: mytcor, la data 2009-12-21 13:51:23 ...DEDIC ACEASTÃ SUMARÃ TRECERE-N REVISTÃ, TUTUROR CELOR CE-AU POSTAT PE ACEST TOPIC. copy / paste ?...de unde atâta copy/paste.... pentru o sintezã sumar-exemplificativã ?... ...te deranjeazã cumva faptul cã aceastã sintezã.... îþi cam pune sub semnul întrebãrii solidele tale cunoºtinþe-n domeniu,.... acumulate pe la cursurile UB-iste ?.. Raporteaza abuz de limbaj |
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