sunt armele o solutie in fasia gaza?!!!

...pe mine ma ingrijoreaza situtaia din Gaza...ma ingrijoreaza pentru ca incep sa se implice mai multe forte armate. Ieri auzeam de bombardamente si in Liban. "Nu pot sa inteleg?! De ce se omoara? La ce le trebuie arme?", imi spunea o prietena careia ii aratam blogul unui palestinian din Gaza.
....probabil ca noi nu o sa intelegem niciodata de ce jocurile geo-politice duc la situatii in care oamenii se macelaresc intre ei...

yo soy el tango

EARLY ZIONIST TERRORIST GANGS.


Soon after the end of World War II, there were three basic para-military Zionist organizations in Palestine, working against the Arab people, with the specific purpose of driving it out of Palestine. These were the Haganah, the Irgun Zvai Leumi and the Stern Gang.

Before the British Mandate, the Jewish settlers had formed a group of mounted armed watchmen called "Hashomar" and with the advent of the British Mandate, it became the Haganah (Defense). With a membership of 60,000 Zionist Jews, the Haganah had a field army of 16,000 trained men and a unit called the Palmach, which was a full-time force, numbering about 6000.

The Irgun Zvai Leumi included between 3000 and 5000 armed terrorists, and grew out of the Haganah and its Palmach branch in 1933. The Irgun was not ready to obey the Jewish Agency which sought to dilute the terror of the Haganah in order not to lose its respectability.

In 1939, one of Irgun's commanding officers, Abraham Stern, left the parent organization and formed the Stern Gang, numbering some 200 to 300 dangerous fanatics.



SOME EARLY EXAMPLES OF JEWISH-ZIONIST TERROR.


August 20, 1937 - June 29, 1939. During this period, the Zionists carried out a series of attacks against Arab buses, resulting in the death of 24 persons and wounding 25 others.

November 25, 1940. S.S.Patria was blown up by Jewish terrorists in Haifa harbour, killing 268 illegal Jewish immigrants (see below).

November 6, 1944. Zionist terrorists of the Stern Gang assassinated the British Minister Resident in the Middle East, Lord Moyne, in Cairo.

July 22, 1946. Zionist terrorists blew up the King David Hotel in Jerusalem, which housed the central offices of the civilian administration of the government of Palestine, killing or injuring more than 200 persons. The Irgun officially claimed responsibility for the incident, but subsequent evidence indicated that both the Haganah and the Jewish Agency were involved.

October 1, 1946. The British Embassy in Rome was badly damaged by bomb explosions, for which Irgun claimed responsibility.

June 1947. Letters sent to British Cabinet Ministers were found to contain bombs.

September 3, 1947. A postal bomb addressed to the British War Office exploded in the post office sorting room in London, injuring 2 persons. It was attributed to Irgun or Stern Gangs. (The Sunday Times, Sept. 24, 1972, p.8)

December 11, 1947. Six Arabs were killed and 30 wounded when bombs were thrown from Jewish trucks at Arab buses in Haifa; 12 Arabs were killed and others injured in an attack by armed Zionists on an Arab coastal village near Haifa.

December 13,1947. Zionist terrorists, believed to be members of Irgun Zvai Leumi, killed 18 Arabs and wounded nearly 60 in Jerusalem, Jaffa and Lydda areas. In Jerusalem, bombs were thrown in an Arab market-place near the Damascus Gate; in Jaffa, bombs were thrown into an Arab cafe; in the Arab village of Al Abbasya, near Lydda, 12 Arabs were killed in an attack with mortars and automatic weapons.

December 19, 1947. Haganah terrorists attacked an Arab village near Safad, blowing up two houses, in the ruins of which were found the bodies of 10 Arabs, including 5 children. Haganah admitted responsibility for the attack.

December 29, 1947. Two British constables and 11 Arabs were killed and 32 Arabs injured, at the Damascus Gate in Jerusalem when Irgun members threw a bomb from a taxi.

December 30,1947. A mixed force of the Zionist Palmach and the "Carmel Brigade" attacked the village of Balad al Sheikh, killing more than 60 Arabs.

1947 -- 1948. Over 700,000 Palestinian Arabs were uprooted from their homes and land, and forced to live in refugee camps on Israel's borders. They have been denied the right to return to their homes. They have been refused compensation for their homes, orchards, farms and other property stolen from them by the Israeli government. After their expulsion, the "Israeli Forces" totally obliterated (usually by bulldozing) 385 Arab villages and towns, out of a total of 475. Commonly, Israeli villages were built on the remaining rubble.

January 1, 1948. Haganah terrorists attacked a village on the slopes of Mount Carmel; 17 Arabs were killed and 33 wounded.

January 4, 1948. Haganah terrorists wearing British Army uniforms penetrated into the center of Jaffa and blew up the Serai (the old Turkish Government House) which was used as a headquarters of the Arab National Committee, killing more than 40 persons and wounding 98 others.

January 5, 1948. The Arab-owned Semiramis Hotel in Jerusalem was blown up, killing 20 persons, among them Viscount de Tapia, the Spanish Consul. Haganah admitted responsibility for this crime.

January 7, 1948. Seventeen Arabs were killed by a bomb at the Jaffa Gate in Jerusalem, 3 of them while trying to escape. Further casualties, including the murder of a British officer near Hebron, were reported from different parts of the country.

January 16, 1948. Zionists blew up three Arab buildings. In the first, 8 children between the ages of 18 months and 12 years, died.

December 13, 1947 -- February 10, 1948. Seven incidents of bomb-tossing at innocent Arab civilians in cafes and markets, killing 138 and wounding 271 others, During this period, there were 9 attacks on Arab buses. Zionists mined passenger trains on at least 4 occasions, killing 93 persons and wounding 161 others.

February 15, 1948. Haganah terrorists attacked an Arab village near Safad, blew up several houses, killing 11 Arabs, including 4 children..

March 3, 1948. Heavy damage was done to the Arab-owned Salam building in Haifa (a 7 story block of apartments and shops) by Zionists who drove an army lorry ( truck) up to the building and escaped before the detonation of 400 Ib. of explosives; casualties numbered 11 Arabs and 3 Armenians killed and 23 injured. The Stern Gang claimed responsibility for the incident.

March 22, 1948. A housing block in Iraq Street in Haifa was blown up killing 17 and injuring 100 others. Four members of the Stern Gang drove two truck-loads of explosives into the street and abandoned the vehicles before the explosion.

March 31, 1948. The Cairo-Haifa Express was mined, for the second time in a month, by an electronically-detonated land mine near Benyamina, killing 40 persons and wounding 60 others.

April 9, 1948. A combined force of Irgun Zvai Leumi and the Stern Gang, supported by the Palmach forces, captured the Arab village of Deir Yassin and killed more than 200 unarmed civilians, including countless women and children. Older men and young women were captured and paraded in chains in the Jewish Quarter of Jerusalem; 20 of the hostages were then shot in the quarry of Gevaat Shaul.

April 16, 1948. Zionists attacked the former British army camp at Tel Litvinsky, killing 90 Arabs there.

April 19, 1948. Fourteen Arabs were killed in a house in Tiberias, which was blown up by Zionist terrorists.

May 3, 1948. A book bomb addressed to a British Army officer, who had been stationed in Palestine exploded, killing his brother, Rex Farran.

May11, 1948. A letter bomb addressed to Sir Evelyn Barker, former Commanding Officer in Palestine, was detected in the nick of time by his wife.

April 25, 1948 -- May 13, 1948. Wholesale looting of Jaffa was carried out following armed attacks by Irgun and Haganah terrorists. They stripped and carried away everything they could, destroying what they could not take with them.



THE SS PATRIA.


November 25, 1940. In September, 1940, around 3,000 Jewish refugees from Vienna, Prague and Danzig were attempting to reach Palestine. In a convoy of four river steamers, they set sail down the Danube and reached the Romanian port of Tulcea where they transferred to three Greek cargo ships named Atlantic, Pacific and Milos. Conditions on board these three ships were horrendous, reminiscent of Japanese hell-ships later in the war. Eventually the ships reached Palestinian waters, but the British Colonial Office refused them permission to land. It was finally decided to deport the refugees to the island of Mauritius where a special camp was to be built. The three ships were then brought into Haifa harbour where the liner Patria was berthed. The refugees were then embarked on the Patria and as the last passengers from the Atlantic were coming on board, a tremendous explosion ripped the liner apart. The death toll amounted to 267 refugees killed. The explosion was the work of the Jewish underground army, the Haganah, who had meant only to damage the ship to prevent it sailing but had miscalculated the amount of explosives needed to disable the ship. Many say that this was no miscalculation and was deliberate murder of Jews by Jews, in an attempt to influence British immigration policy to Palestine.



A LIGHT UNTO THE NATIONS.


The first act of air piracy in the history of civil aviation was carried out by Israel, in Dec. 1954, when a civilian Syrian airliner was forced down in Tel Aviv and its passengers and crew held for days, despite international condemnation.

In 1968, Israeli commandos blew up 13 civilian airliners at Beirut airport in Lebanon.

The first deliberate shooting down a civilian airliner was carried out by Israel, when a Libyan airliner was shot down by Israeli jet fighters over Sinai, in Feb. 1973, on the direct orders of Israeli Prime Minister Golda Meir, killing all 107 of its passengers and the entire French crew.

KALASHNIKOV

Suflete ratacit, te afli pe un forum ROMANESC ..... scrie deci ROMANESTE .... asta in cazul in care ai ceva de scris bineinteles !
Chiar si aceia dintre noi ce au invatat si vorbesc limba engleza, franceza, italiana sau altele , scriu pe aceste forumuri in romana asa ca ...... scrie limpede ce gandesti

fut in cur anal

asta e bolnav sau ce ai?

KALASHNIKOV

Sunt o solutie! Israelul de nenumarate ori le-a spus teroristilor sa termine cu atentatele, ca altfel vor avea de suferit. Si dupa ani de zile au ripostat. Bine au facut!

NU ! Armele nu sunt o solutie .... in felul acesta fiecare parte raspunde cu moarte pentru a razbuna moartea

Mai cla0 sau cum te-o chema ...ce te strofoci atata cand cineva posteaza in engleza ,ai deficiente ?pune mana pe dictionar tata si lasa oamenii sa posteze date referitoare la topic ....nu crezi ca esti cam obraznic ? adica daca eu sunt englez si stiu putin romaeste nu pot sa postez pe forum ? mai homofob mic ce esti !? engleza este limba de circulatie internationala nu stia ? nu o stii foarte rau ! baga cateva milioane si luni din viata ta si rezolva problema si nu ne mai stresa cu pretentiile tale de comunist pruteanolog.

Vai, vai inteligenta voastra ce mesaj intelept !
Hai ca nu mai pot de uimire .....

Pentru cultura ta generala eu vorbesc foarte bine 3 limbi straine (probabil ca de aceea am lucrat o perioada ca traducatoare) asadar .... pentru tine .... gandeste inainte de a scrie ceva

mai Opris Vasile 12345678....cla03 are dreptate ....mesajul in engleza e luat cu copy/paste de pe net ,cred ca individul/a nici nu stie ce a postat ....

eu gandesc inainte ..tu vad ca te bagi peste altii care sunt diferiti decat tine
dupa tine tot topicul ar trebui sa fie gen ...parerea mea e ca , eu cred ca , gicu de la etajul 3 zice ca ...neam de babe si de idioti superstitiosi.....

pai acolo e o insiruire de fate ...ce trebuia sa stie ala ? el a postat un rezumat al atacurilor israeliene ,teroriste asupra palestinienilor ....crezi ca nu stia ?

De la: Opris_Vasile123, la data 2009-01-09 13:27:23eu gandesc inainte ..tu vad ca te bagi peste altii care sunt diferiti decat tine
dupa tine tot topicul ar trebui sa fie gen ...parerea mea e ca , eu cred ca , gicu de la etajul 3 zice ca ...neam de babe si de idioti superstitiosi.....

Nu ma bag peste altii ci doar scriu care este parerea mea , fara a aduce injurii nimanui , indiferent ca este sau nu de aceeasi parere cu mine.

Normal este ca fiecare sa scrie ce crede si tot normal este ca fiecare are opinia proprie

Si daca noi suntem neam de babe si de idioti superstitiosi ..... tu ce neam esti ???

De la: cla03, la data 2009-01-09 13:35:35

De la: Opris_Vasile123, la data 2009-01-09 13:27:23eu gandesc inainte ..tu vad ca te bagi peste altii care sunt diferiti decat tine
dupa tine tot topicul ar trebui sa fie gen ...parerea mea e ca , eu cred ca , gicu de la etajul 3 zice ca ...neam de babe si de idioti superstitiosi.....

Nu ma bag peste altii ci doar scriu care este parerea mea , fara a aduce injurii nimanui , indiferent ca este sau nu de aceeasi parere cu mine.

Normal este ca fiecare sa scrie ce crede si tot normal este ca fiecare are opinia proprie

Si daca noi suntem neam de babe si de idioti superstitiosi ..... tu ce neam esti ???

Prima cale spre vindecare e stabilirea diagnosticului!!! nu te da rotund cu intrebari de genul eu al cui sunt ca nu ma cunosti da?! iar despre libertatea de exprimare tu esti cel care a sarit in sus cu romaneste va rog ... desi aia nu era o parere ...ci un colaj de stiri ...hmmmm

La felul in care gandesti nici nu tin sa te cunosc

Cla03..in asemenea gen de topicuri, oamenii pasnici, cu minti deschise si care nu au razboiul in sange, nu au ce cauta....Nu trebuie sa gandesti obiectiv aici.Si eu m-am convins de asta.Daca ai vre-o opinie impotriva arabilor, sa nu cumva sa o spui aici. Totusi, revin cu o intrebare:
Care este diferenta dintre victimele unui obuz tras eronat si cele dintr-un autobuz plin de civili, detonat de un atentator sinucigas arab in orasele din Israel?
Sau gata....uitam tot si istoria se scrie de la inceperea ofensivei in Gaza.

Da , ai dreptate Sebastian Simion !

Pacat ca se varsa sange nevinovat ..... de fapt in toate conflictele sufera cei nevinovati

Da am mai auzit genul asta de gandire cnn , ati ajuns la modul de gandire cantitativ si calitativ ,care omoara mai multi si care omoara mai bine ...pai sa va dau o stire a omara pe cineva este un pacat ,faptul ca zilnic va uitati la tv si nu faceti nimic impotriva razboiului este la fel un pacat ,faptul ca mass media prezinta denaturat si tendentios stirile ( gen: adevaratele victime sunt copii din fasia gaza ...FALS ...si un om daca ar muri tot pacat ar fi dar noi am invatat sa filtram stirile dupa cantitate si calitate nu ?

Armele nu sunt o solutie in nici o situatie dar se scot bani buni de pe urma lor si accentueaza razboiul psihologic actual. Oricum razboaiele sunt o sursa de castig pentru o clasa de "oameni" fara scrupule. Am retinut o zicala dintr-un film spusa de cineva din clasa respectiva: "Cand pe strazi curge sange, cumpara proprietati." Mass media reprezinta cea mai puternica forta de manipulare a maselor.

De la: Opris_Vasile123, la data 2009-01-09 13:52:16Da am mai auzit genul asta de gandire cnn , ati ajuns la modul de gandire cantitativ si calitativ ,care omoara mai multi si care omoara mai bine ...pai sa va dau o stire a omara pe cineva este un pacat ,faptul ca zilnic va uitati la tv si nu faceti nimic impotriva razboiului este la fel un pacat ,faptul ca mass media prezinta denaturat si tendentios stirile ( gen: adevaratele victime sunt copii din fasia gaza ...FALS ...si un om daca ar muri tot pacat ar fi dar noi am invatat sa filtram stirile dupa cantitate si calitate nu ?

Stirile sunt manipulate dupa interesele celui ce le prezinta ...... teroristii islamisti nu vor spune cate rachete ... cate bombe sau cate gloante au folosit .... in schimb vor arata imagini cu copii ucisi
Fiecare se considera victima si indreptatit sa se apere .... indiferent de metodele folosite

Si o precizare eu nu sunt pro sau contra palestinieni si nici pro sau contra israelieni ..... sunt impotriva terorismului de orice fel

Inseamna ca esti spalat pe creier rau de tot ...scuza dar mai intereseazate ,daca eu iti omor familia, vecinii , poporul ....tot ceea ce pentru tine inseamna tara ta ...tu nu ai apuca prima grenada de coada ? ce exemplu bun au palestinienii tineri acum cand poporul lor tara lor e distrusa ? e nou generatie de Ahmed de care face sua glume de 2 lei ...terorist e o masinatie mediatica si ca sa iti demonstreza asta am sa te intreb urmatoarea intrebare : pe cine vezi tu ca ar putea sa te omoare si de ce ? acesta , criminalul ,putand fi incadrat la teroristi fara nici un dubiu....da cleo ?

Nu stiu cine si nici de ce ar avea motiv sa ma omoare

Criminal este cel ce varsa sangele semenului sau



Unde se sfarseste un conflict in care unul omoara fratele altuia ..... dupa care acesta se razbuna si omoara mama celuilalt ...... dupa care si acesta se razbuna si omoara bunicul celuilalt ........

Pentru Mr.Opris
Aha...deja vin argumente.Unde erai acum catva ani cand erau la moda a
Pentru atentatele din autobuze, autogari si alte locuri publice?De familiile victimelor ce zici?Cand aflii ca a explodat "un martir" cu tot cu autobuzul in care iti venea copii de la scoala ce ai face? Cand incetarile focului erau incalcate regulat de fractiunile arabe, ce ai fi vrut sa faca statul evreu?Acum aducem in dicutie soarta tineretului ....ce patetic. Si astea sunt gen CNN? Baiete, poate ai gresit frecventa postului....

Si daca tu nu stii nici un terorist (potential ) cum doamne iarta-ma in gaza sunt cu miile ? nu va pute ceva ? nu va ganditi ca s-ar putea sa fie si altceva la mijloc ? IESITI DIN CUTIA AIA IN CARE SUNTETI SI GANDITI!!!!!! nu ma mai luati dupa tv puneti mana pe creion si bagati pe goole cautari cu teroristi si intelegeti ca nu exista terorist in adevaratul lui sens de om sau grupare care vrea neaparat sa distruga ceva FARA MOTIV .Sa va mai dau un exemplu si ganditiva bine la el si nu raspudeti asa aiurea ...intotdeauna cand a venit vorba despre motivele lui 11 septembrie autoritatile americane au zis :" thy are agains our WAY OF LIFE" ce inseamna way of life ? cu cat cumperi l de benzina la pompa ?e maericanii il cumpara la sfert pe cat il iei tu ,desi salarile sunt de sute si mii de ori mai mari ..WAY OF LIFE pot sa mai enumar cate vrei ok ?

Ce iti spune Visul American? Nu spune ca nu te-a tentat si pe tine....

De la: sebastian_simion, la data 2009-01-09 14:27:32
Pentru Mr.Opris
Aha...deja vin argumente.Unde erai acum catva ani cand erau la moda a
Pentru atentatele din autobuze, autogari si alte locuri publice?De familiile victimelor ce zici?Cand aflii ca a explodat "un martir" cu tot cu autobuzul in care iti venea copii de la scoala ce ai face? Cand incetarile focului erau incalcate regulat de fractiunile arabe, ce ai fi vrut sa faca statul evreu?Acum aducem in dicutie soarta tineretului ....ce patetic. Si astea sunt gen CNN? Baiete, poate ai gresit frecventa postului....

Frecventa postului ? nu inteleg ? cnn e un post de stiri care arunca stirile fara sa le verifice ( nici nu ai idee cate sunt trunchiate sau false a se vedea cazul din Giorgia in care au publicat poze false facute de un reporter al lor ,care mima ajutorarea ranitilor ,care in fapt erau giorgieni tocmiti cu ora ) nu luati tot ce sboara ca felul doi asta va zic si interesativa de toate posibilitatile ...chiar daca asta inseamna timp si munca ,veti fi mai inteligenti si mai puternici

Nici eu nu sunt de acord nici macar cu condamnarea la moarte! Fiecare om are drept la viata. Mai ales cei nevinovati. Dar......... ce parerea aveti de CRUCIADE? Din pacate foarte putine solutii pasnice sunt impotriva violentelor, atentatelor teroriste inafara de calea violenta.

De la: sebastian_simion, la data 2009-01-09 14:31:53Ce iti spune Visul American? Nu spune ca nu te-a tentat si pe tine....

Am o sora care e plecata in denver colorado de 4 ani are green card si e casatorita cu un american asa ca american dream de fapt american wana go ?

atila frate iesi din evul mediu cat poti ...esti sigur ca te tine abordarea subiectului Cruciade ..? daca da spunemi si mie cine a fost de moleaeay....i...am stricat numele sa nu il cauti pe net ! ?