ROMANILOR NU LE PLACE NIMIC NICIODATA!!!!!
Comentarii pe articolul "Madonna, huiduita la Bucuresti din cauza unui apel contra discriminarii"
Trimis de andra_sunny la 27 August 2009, ora 21:52
Ce naiba aveti atata de comentat? ce vi s-a parut atat de dezgustator? Eu consider ca intr-adevar a fost evenimentul anului, Madonna este o artista de exceptie si nu stiti sa o apreciati la adevarata ei valoare. A avut un spectacol extraordinar si putem face abstractie de organizare. Eu am mers sa o vad pe Madonna, pe care am asteptat-o ani de zile sa vina si nu sa fac atata caz de organizarea proasta. La ce v-ati fi asteptat? Oare nu era previzibil faptul ca nu vom avea parte de niste conditii exceptionale? Sincera sa fiu, pe mine nu m-a dezamagit cu absolut nimic Madonna si daca v-ati atacat atata pt afirmatia legata de discriminare, chiar nu era cazul. Ideea ei este una foarte buna, doar ca probabil de acolo de sus de unde vorbeste ea, nu se simt efectele interactiunii cu celor din rasa tiganeasca. Nu ea este pusa in pericol pe strada si nu numai, insa ideea in sine este una care merita atentie. Nu mai gasiti atata nod in papura, pentru ca astfel de artisti se nasc o data la o mie de ani. Asa cum Michael Jackson este regele muzicii, astfel Madonna este regina. Cei doi M care ocupa tronul. Felicitari, Madonna, pentru mine ai fost exceptionala! Si nu regret niciun moment ca m-a durut gatul de cat m-am intins ca sa te vad mai bine!
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Trimis de 9am124734 la 27 August 2009, ora 23:59
niciodata nu mi-a placut madonna, nici cum canta nici felul in care s-a promovat. si referitor la ce ai spus mai sus.....ROMANILOR nu are cum sa le placa concertul madonnei, pt ca suntem ROMANI nu rromi. cu ce tupeu a venit ea in romania sa tina discurs despre rasism si mai mult sa apara in tinuta "specifica " romanilor: poalele acelea de rromi. Pai ce , aia e tinuta specifica romanilor? trebuia sa vina in romania dupa ce se mai documenta putin ce e un roman si ce e un rrom. E ca si le-ar spune evreilor de palestinieni..... eu una m-am simtit jignita de atitudinea ei. in romania rromi nici macar nu sunt discriminati. ba sunt chiar favorizati. pe unde mergi , peste tot hop si drepturile lor , de nu mai poti sa te invarti de ei . sti cum e? atunci cand exista un conflict intre doi romani se numeste caz penal, cand e un conflict intre un tigan si un roman, e discriminare , iar cand e conflict intre doi tigani, e reglare de conturi, nu se baga nimeni ...romanu pica prost.....si mai vb de discriminarea tiganilor......hai si asa.....cum naiba sa ne placa ? si sa ma mai lase cu "rromi" sunt tigani .
Trimis de andra_sunny la 28 August 2009, ora 09:03
Dar ce legatura are acea afirmatia cu ceea ce a insemnat concertul Madonnei? Cu ce a influentat afirmatia aia efectele si muzica si tot? De ce nu facem totusi o diferenta?
Nici eu nu suport situatia asta creata cu tiganii, sunt o rusine pentru noi, cand am calatorit in afara tarii si ii vedeam cersind pe strada imi venea sa intru in pamant de rusine, da toate astea NU au nicio legatura cu restul concertului. Concertul in sine, nu organizarea care a lasat de dorit
Nici eu nu suport situatia asta creata cu tiganii, sunt o rusine pentru noi, cand am calatorit in afara tarii si ii vedeam cersind pe strada imi venea sa intru in pamant de rusine, da toate astea NU au nicio legatura cu restul concertului. Concertul in sine, nu organizarea care a lasat de dorit
Trimis de royan32 la 28 August 2009, ora 10:03
pai uite draga sunny cu ce a influentat, iti postez articolul care a aparut pe yahoo despre concertul din ro si in special se vorbeste despre cat de rasisti suntem si tiganii cat sunt de discriminati:
BUCHAREST, Romania - At first, fans politely applauded the Roma performers sharing a stage with Madonna. Then the pop star condemned widespread discrimination against Roma, or Gypsies — and the cheers gave way to jeers.
The sharp mood change that swept the crowd of 60,000, who had packed a park for Wednesday night's concert, underscores how prejudice against Gypsies remains deeply entrenched across Eastern Europe.
Despite long-standing efforts to stamp out rampant bias, human rights advocates say Roma probably suffer more humiliation and endure more discrimination than any other people group on the continent.
Sometimes, it can be deadly: In neighboring Hungary, six Roma have been killed and several wounded in a recent series of apparently racially motivated attacks targeting small countryside villages predominantly settled by Gypsies.
"There is generally widespread resentment against Gypsies in Eastern Europe. They have historically been the underdog," Radu Motoc, an official with the Soros Foundation Romania, said Thursday.
Roma, or Gypsies, are a nomadic ethnic group believed to have their roots in the Indian subcontinent. They live mostly in southern and eastern Europe, but hundreds of thousands have migrated west over the past few decades in search of jobs and better living conditions.
Romania has the largest number of Roma in the region. Some say the population could be as high as 2 million, although official data put it at 500,000.
Until the 19th century, Romanian Gypsies were slaves, and they've gotten a mixed response ever since: While discrimination is widespread, many East Europeans are enthusiastic about Gypsy music and dance, which they embrace as part of the region's cultural heritage.
That explains why the Roma musicians and a dancer who had briefly joined Madonna onstage got enthusiastic applause. And it also may explain why some in the crowd turned on Madonna when she paused during the two-hour show — a stop on her worldwide "Sticky and Sweet" tour — to touch on their plight.
"It has been brought to my attention ... that there is a lot of discrimination against Romanies and Gypsies in general in Eastern Europe," she said. "It made me feel very sad."
Thousands booed and jeered her.
A few cheered when she added: "We don't believe in discrimination ... we believe in freedom and equal rights for everyone." But she got more boos when she mentioned discrimination against homosexuals and others.
"I jeered her because it seemed false what she was telling us. What business does she have telling us these things?" said Ionut Dinu, 23.
Madonna did not react and carried on with her concert, held near the hulking palace of the late communist dictator Nicolae Ceausescu.
Her publicist, Liz Rosenberg, said Madonna and other had told her there were cheers as well as jeers.
"Madonna has been touring with a phenomenal troupe of Roma musicians who made her aware of the discrimination toward them in several countries so she felt compelled to make a brief statement," Rosenberg said in an e-mail. "She will not be issuing a further statement."
One Roma musician said the attitude toward Gypsies is contradictory.
"Romanians watch Gypsy soap operas, they like Gypsy music and go to Gypsy concerts," said Damian Draghici, a Grammy Award-winner who has performed with James Brown and Joe Cocker.
"But there has been a wave of aggression against Roma people in Italy, Hungary and Romania, which shows me something is not OK," he told the AP in an interview. "The politicians have to do something about it. People have to be educated not to be prejudiced. All people are equal, and that is the message politicians must give."
Nearly one in two of Europe's estimated 12 million Roma claimed to have suffered an act of discrimination over the past 12 months, according to a recent report by the Vienna-based EU Fundamental Rights Agency. The group says Roma face "overt discrimination" in housing, health care and education.
Many do not have official identification, which means they cannot get social benefits, are undereducated and struggle to find decent jobs.
Roma children are more likely to drop out of school than their peers from other ethnic groups. Many Romanians label Gypsies as thieves, and many are outraged by those who beg or commit petty crimes in Western Europe, believing they spoil Romania's image abroad.
In May 2007, Romanian President Traian Basescu was heard to call a Romanian journalist a "stinky Gypsy" during a conversation with his wife. Romania's anti-discrimination board criticized Basescu, who later apologized.
Human rights activists say the attacks in Hungary, which began in July 2008, may be tied to that country's economic crisis and the rising popularity of far-right vigilantes angered by a rash of petty thefts and other so-called "Gypsy crime." Last week, police arrested four suspects in a nightclub in the eastern city of Debrecen.
Bulgaria, the Czech Republic and Slovakia also have been criticized for widespread bias against Roma.
Madonna's outrage touched a nerve in Romania, but it seems doubtful it will change anything, said the Soros Foundation's Motoc.
"Madonna is a pop star. She is not an expert on interethnic relations," he said.
___
AP Writers Alison Mutler in Bucharest, William J. Kole in Vienna and Nekesa Mumbi Moody in New York contributed to this report.
BUCHAREST, Romania - At first, fans politely applauded the Roma performers sharing a stage with Madonna. Then the pop star condemned widespread discrimination against Roma, or Gypsies — and the cheers gave way to jeers.
The sharp mood change that swept the crowd of 60,000, who had packed a park for Wednesday night's concert, underscores how prejudice against Gypsies remains deeply entrenched across Eastern Europe.
Despite long-standing efforts to stamp out rampant bias, human rights advocates say Roma probably suffer more humiliation and endure more discrimination than any other people group on the continent.
Sometimes, it can be deadly: In neighboring Hungary, six Roma have been killed and several wounded in a recent series of apparently racially motivated attacks targeting small countryside villages predominantly settled by Gypsies.
"There is generally widespread resentment against Gypsies in Eastern Europe. They have historically been the underdog," Radu Motoc, an official with the Soros Foundation Romania, said Thursday.
Roma, or Gypsies, are a nomadic ethnic group believed to have their roots in the Indian subcontinent. They live mostly in southern and eastern Europe, but hundreds of thousands have migrated west over the past few decades in search of jobs and better living conditions.
Romania has the largest number of Roma in the region. Some say the population could be as high as 2 million, although official data put it at 500,000.
Until the 19th century, Romanian Gypsies were slaves, and they've gotten a mixed response ever since: While discrimination is widespread, many East Europeans are enthusiastic about Gypsy music and dance, which they embrace as part of the region's cultural heritage.
That explains why the Roma musicians and a dancer who had briefly joined Madonna onstage got enthusiastic applause. And it also may explain why some in the crowd turned on Madonna when she paused during the two-hour show — a stop on her worldwide "Sticky and Sweet" tour — to touch on their plight.
"It has been brought to my attention ... that there is a lot of discrimination against Romanies and Gypsies in general in Eastern Europe," she said. "It made me feel very sad."
Thousands booed and jeered her.
A few cheered when she added: "We don't believe in discrimination ... we believe in freedom and equal rights for everyone." But she got more boos when she mentioned discrimination against homosexuals and others.
"I jeered her because it seemed false what she was telling us. What business does she have telling us these things?" said Ionut Dinu, 23.
Madonna did not react and carried on with her concert, held near the hulking palace of the late communist dictator Nicolae Ceausescu.
Her publicist, Liz Rosenberg, said Madonna and other had told her there were cheers as well as jeers.
"Madonna has been touring with a phenomenal troupe of Roma musicians who made her aware of the discrimination toward them in several countries so she felt compelled to make a brief statement," Rosenberg said in an e-mail. "She will not be issuing a further statement."
One Roma musician said the attitude toward Gypsies is contradictory.
"Romanians watch Gypsy soap operas, they like Gypsy music and go to Gypsy concerts," said Damian Draghici, a Grammy Award-winner who has performed with James Brown and Joe Cocker.
"But there has been a wave of aggression against Roma people in Italy, Hungary and Romania, which shows me something is not OK," he told the AP in an interview. "The politicians have to do something about it. People have to be educated not to be prejudiced. All people are equal, and that is the message politicians must give."
Nearly one in two of Europe's estimated 12 million Roma claimed to have suffered an act of discrimination over the past 12 months, according to a recent report by the Vienna-based EU Fundamental Rights Agency. The group says Roma face "overt discrimination" in housing, health care and education.
Many do not have official identification, which means they cannot get social benefits, are undereducated and struggle to find decent jobs.
Roma children are more likely to drop out of school than their peers from other ethnic groups. Many Romanians label Gypsies as thieves, and many are outraged by those who beg or commit petty crimes in Western Europe, believing they spoil Romania's image abroad.
In May 2007, Romanian President Traian Basescu was heard to call a Romanian journalist a "stinky Gypsy" during a conversation with his wife. Romania's anti-discrimination board criticized Basescu, who later apologized.
Human rights activists say the attacks in Hungary, which began in July 2008, may be tied to that country's economic crisis and the rising popularity of far-right vigilantes angered by a rash of petty thefts and other so-called "Gypsy crime." Last week, police arrested four suspects in a nightclub in the eastern city of Debrecen.
Bulgaria, the Czech Republic and Slovakia also have been criticized for widespread bias against Roma.
Madonna's outrage touched a nerve in Romania, but it seems doubtful it will change anything, said the Soros Foundation's Motoc.
"Madonna is a pop star. She is not an expert on interethnic relations," he said.
___
AP Writers Alison Mutler in Bucharest, William J. Kole in Vienna and Nekesa Mumbi Moody in New York contributed to this report.
Trimis de oanaraluca_popa la 28 August 2009, ora 12:14
ptr domnisoara de mai sus...nu sunt o mare fana a comenturilor , dar ma amuza teribil sa le citesc din cand in cand...nu te inteleg cum poti fi atat de entuziasmata de acest concert?...adica doar ptr ca este Madonna?hai sa fim realisti, ceva piese de referinta are...dar mai departe?voce...hmhmh lasa de dorit...a sarit coarda sau a cantat?...inteleg coregrafia, dar era spectacol de aerobic sau muzica?...am fost, sunt si voi ramane fan MJ...acela show...a venit , a cantat, a emotionat o lume intreaga si a stiut sa trateze fanii cu respect...nu am vazut'o cumva pe madonna sa vb de copiii care nu au ce manca si sunt obligati la cersit,la batranii care mor in case...a vb de tigani...stai tu linistita, tiganii stiu sa'si poarte singuri de grija.nu asta era scopul comentariului, ci doar...nu mai sariti mai fratilor asa ptr orice nou venit in tara asta care ne invata cum sa traim si sa respiram.
un weekend placut
un weekend placut
Trimis de adiseciko la 29 August 2009, ora 19:08
E foarte usor,ba chiar cool si trendy sa faci apeluri la antirasism atunci cand traiesti intr-un "glob de sticla",total rupt de realitatile lumii din jurul tau si in totala necunostiinta de cauza asupra situatiei.
Madonna,ca si multi alti artisti,vedete sau politicieni straini isi face lobby,promovare si publicitate ,facandu-si un titlu de glorie din texte de genul asta,desi habar nu are ce se intampla in lumea reala.
Doar aruncand o privire pe lista cu pretentii aberante ale Madonnei inainte de sosirea la Bucuresti,legate de confortul,cazarea si tratatia oferita ei si imensului ei staff,iti poti da seama ca ea traieste intr-o realitate paralela.
Daca ar fi trait macar o luna intre tiganii romani(care cred ca-s cei mai rai din neamul tiganesc de pretutindeni),daca ar fi fost traumatizata de violenta,brutalitatea,hotia si jaful,mizeria si nesimtirea acestui neam,va asigur eu ca si-ar fi vazut de cantat si dansat,ceea ce face extraordinar de bine, si ar fi lasat discursurile ipocrite deoparte.
Sunt unul din cei care apreciaza talentul si muzica Madonnei,in special creatia ei din anii 80-90,dar la faza asta cu tiganii a gresit amarnic.
Fara tigani tara asta ar fi mult mai civilizata,mai linistita,mai curata si mai sigura.
Madonna,ca si multi alti artisti,vedete sau politicieni straini isi face lobby,promovare si publicitate ,facandu-si un titlu de glorie din texte de genul asta,desi habar nu are ce se intampla in lumea reala.
Doar aruncand o privire pe lista cu pretentii aberante ale Madonnei inainte de sosirea la Bucuresti,legate de confortul,cazarea si tratatia oferita ei si imensului ei staff,iti poti da seama ca ea traieste intr-o realitate paralela.
Daca ar fi trait macar o luna intre tiganii romani(care cred ca-s cei mai rai din neamul tiganesc de pretutindeni),daca ar fi fost traumatizata de violenta,brutalitatea,hotia si jaful,mizeria si nesimtirea acestui neam,va asigur eu ca si-ar fi vazut de cantat si dansat,ceea ce face extraordinar de bine, si ar fi lasat discursurile ipocrite deoparte.
Sunt unul din cei care apreciaza talentul si muzica Madonnei,in special creatia ei din anii 80-90,dar la faza asta cu tiganii a gresit amarnic.
Fara tigani tara asta ar fi mult mai civilizata,mai linistita,mai curata si mai sigura.
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Alte comentarii pe articolul Madonna, huiduita la Bucuresti din cauza unui apel contra discriminarii
- O naþie de neamuri proaste
- madonna - un esec
- dar de praful cu care ne-am imbacsit plamanii nu zice nimeni nimic?
- O grava confuzie si o superficiala cunoastere a situatiei reale !
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- pentru romanii care au fost la concert si au huiduit
- scris aiurea
- Madonna atat de mica ca nu am vazut-o pe scena !
- Ia MADONNA MAIKAL ..TOTI TZIGANII SI DU-TEN....MATII!!
- Ca om nu mi-a placut niciodata
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